We Discovered the Best Way to Judge a QB in the Regular Season Part 6

This is the win record differential for many long term starters that came into the league in the early to late 2010s and very early 2020s.

Patrick Mahomes

SeasonsTeamsRecordProjected+/-Context
2017KC1-00.388-0.6120.61not yet a fulltime starter
2018KC12-45.77-10.236.23RT Schwartz, TE Kelce, and WR Hill all made all pro. Kelce made all pros al of the following years. Hill at least made pro bowls. T Fisher made a pro bowl
2019KC11-37.36-6.643.64play good despite only 1 gw drive. Hill made a pro bowl. T Fisher missed half the season.
2020KC14-16.90-8.117.11Hill and Kelce made all pro. T Schwartz missed most of the season. T Fisher returned and made a pro bowl
2021KC12-58.07-8.933.93Schwartz and T Fisher left, T Orlando Brown (made a pro bowl) arrived and more new o-linemen.
2022KC14-37.39-9.616.614 gw drives. really good even with Hill leaving. C Humphrey and G Thuney made all pro. WR Smith-Shuster arrived and was productive
2023KC10-69.11-6.890.89WR Smith-Shuster left. wide receiver struggles. OC Bienemy left. Thuney made all pro.
career +/- is 4.14

Deshaun Watson

SeasonsTeamsRecordContext
2017HOU3-32.33-3.670.670 gw drives. WR Hopkins made all-pro. He also did the next 2 seasons on the team.
2018HOU11-57.60-8.403.405 gw drives. RB Lamar Miller made a pro bowl
2019HOU10-55.94-9.064.065 gw drives. LT Tunsil arrived and emerged. Really good despite RB Miller being hurt all yr
2020HOU4-124.07-11.93-0.070 gw drives. WR Hopkins left (traded away)
2021HOU0-00-00did not play
2022CLE3-33.72-2.28-0.72started last 6 games after suspension. over a yr w/o football. LG Bitonio and RB Chubb made all pro
2023CLE5-13.18-2.821.82pro bowl seasons from WR Cooper, TE Njoku, LG Bitonio, and RG Teller
career +/- is 1.31 HOU +/- is 1.61 CLE +/- is 0.55

Josh Allen

SeasonsTeamRecordProjection+/-Context
2018BUF5-65.40-5.60-0.40
2019BUF10-69.99-6.010.01average despite 5 game winning drives. WR Cole Beasley added
2020BUF13-36.30-9.706.70Improved accuracy. WR Diggs arrived and made all-pro.
2021BUF11-610.18-6.820.820 game winning drives. LT Dawkins became a pro-bowler for next few seasons. Diggs makes a pro bowl.
2022BUF13-39.26-6.743.744 gw drives. WR Diggs made all-pro, LT Dawkins, LG Saffold, C Morse, and technically TE Knox made pro bowls. OC Daboll left/Dorsey takes over.
2023BUF11-69.55-7.451.45slightly above average despite 4 gw drives. RB Cooks makes a pro-bowl. Diggs makes a pro bowl. OC Dorsey fired during the season/Joe Brady replaces him.
career +/- is 2.05

Lamar Jackson

SeasonsTeamRecordProjected+/-Context
2018BAL6-16.16 5.842.31G Yanda makes all pro
2019BAL13-28.47 6.534.53G Yanda and T Stanley made all pro. RB Ingram and TE Andrews and T Orlando Brown made a pro bowl. OC Roman takes over.
2020BAL11-47.81 7.193.19Yanda retires. T Orlando Brown and FB Ricard made a pro bowl.
2021BAL7-56.16-5.841.57TE Andrews makes all pro. 4 gw drives. Didn’t finish the year
2022BAL8-46.16-5.841.84Didn’t finish the year. TE Andrews made a pro bowl.
2023BAL13-39.75-6.253.25good despite 0 gw drives. FB Ricard made a pro bowl. C Linderbaum and G Zeitler emerged. TE Andrews missed 8 games. WR Flowers drafted. OC Monken replaces Roman.
career +/- is 2.78

Baker Mayfield

SeasonTeamRecordProjected+/-Context
2018CLE6-74.59 8.411.414 gw drives. Landry made a pro bowl this yr and next. Bitonio made all-pro from 2018-2022.
2019CLE6-106.07-9.94-0.07Only 1 gw drive. Offensive Head Coach Kitchens takes over. struggles despite RB Chubb’s emergence moving forward and making a pro bowl. WR Landry also made a pro bowl. WR Beckham Jr. arrives.
2020CLE11-55.39-10.615.61Offensive head coach Stefanski arrives, RT Conklin arrives and made an all-pro. Landry made a pro bowl. T Wills drafted. RB Chubb makes a pro bowl. WR Beckham Jr. got hurt later and left after the season.
2021CLE6-86.23-7.77-0.23Played through a shoulder injury. RT Conklin missed half the yr. Landry declined. 0 gw drives. struggled despite G Teller making an all-pro and Chubb making a pro bowl.
2022CAR/LAR2-84.27-5.73-2.27Only 1 gw drive. Left Panthers for Rams.
2023TB9-88.65-8.350.35WR Evans made an all-pro, T Wirfs made pro bowl
career +/- is 0.80

Kyler Murray

SeasonTeamRecordProjected+/-Context
2019ARZ5-10-14.77-11.230.23WR Fitzgerald was productive.
2020ARZ8-86.63-9.371.37WR Hopkins arrived and made an all-pro
2021ARZ9-56.55-7.462.46Good despite only 1 gw drive. WR Hopkins played well until getting hurt. T Humphries makes a pro bowl. WR Fitzgerald left
2022ARZ3-83.33-7.67-0.33T Humphries only played half the games. Hopkins missed first half of yr.
2023ARZ3-52.51-5.490.49Came back late in the year off an ACL injury. Head Coach Kingsburry replaced with Gannon
career +/- is 0.84

Daniel Jones

SeasonsTeamsRecordProjected+/-Context
2019NYG3-92.50-9.500.50RB Barkley was productive.
2020NYG5-95.04-8.96-0.040 gw drives. offensive Head Coach Shurmur left and replaced by Joe Judge. RB Barkley missed almost the whole season. TE Engram made a pro bowl.
2021NYG4-74.42-6.58-0.42Only 1 gw drives. got hurt later on. RB Barkley first yr back from injury (not the same yet). WR Shepard missed most of the season and also the next too.
2022NYG9-66.58-8.422.425 gw drives. offensive Head Coach Daboll arrived, RB Barkley made a pro bowl, LT Andrew Thomas made all-pro. Engram left.
2023NYG1-51.11-4.89-0.11Barkley, Thomas, and some o-linemen missed games when Jones played. Later got hurt. TE Waller arrived but missed 5 games.
career +/- is 0.47

Justin Herbert

SeasonsTeamsRecordProjected+/-Context
2020LAC6-93.66-11.342.34WR Keenan Allen made pro bowl
2021LAC9-84.86-12.154.15Defensive Head Coach Staley replaced Lynn. Drafted LT Slater and C Linsley arrived (both made all-pro). WR Allen made pro bowl. WR Williams emerged. 5 gw drives
2022LAC10-76.83-10.173.17Slater missed a lot of the season, Allen and Williams missed some games. RB Eckeler was productive. 5 gw drives
2023LAC5-85.79-7.21-0.79New CO Moore replaces Lombardi. Williams and Linsley missed almost the whole season. struggling o-line. WR Allen made a pro bowl. Only 1 gw drive. got hurt late.
career +/- is 2.22

Joe Burrow

SeasonsTeamsRecordProjected+/-Context
2020CIN2-7-12.80-7.20-0.80
2021CIN10-67.38-8.622.62WR Chase made an all pro. Year 2 Higgins emerged. RB Mixon made a pro bowl. really good despite bad offensive line.
2022CIN12-47.68-8.324.324 gw drives. Chase make pro bowl. Mixon regresses
2023CIN5-53.91-9.091.09played through injuries. 0 gw drives.
career +/- is 1.81

Jalen Hurts

SeasonsTeamsRecordProjected+/-Context
2020PHI1-31.12-2.88-0.12started late in the yr. C Kelce made a pro bowl.
2021PHI8-77.19-7.810.81Drafted WR Smith, C Jason Kelce and RT Johnson made an all-pro this year and the next 2.
2022PHI14-17.88-7.126.12WR AJ Brown arrives and makes an all-pro. C Kelce and RT Johnson both make all-pro. Well performing o-line overall. RB Sanders is a pro-bowler. WR Smith is very productive.
2023PHI11-65.89-11.115.11WR Brown makes another all pro along with the 2 linemen. G Dickerson and RB swift are pro-bowlers. 4 gw drives while having knee issues. OC Steichen left/replaced with Brian Johnson
career +/- is 2.98

Tua Tagaovailoa

SeasonsTeamsRecordProjected+/-Context
2020MIA6-33.90-5.102.10
2021MIA7-55.44-6.571.57Drafted WR Waddle. Struggling o-line.
2022MIA8-55.13-7.872.87Offensive Head Coach McDaniel, T Armstead (made pro bowl) and WR Hill (made all-pro) arrive. Waddle was productive this yr and next.
2023MIA11-67.46-9.543.54Hill makes an all-pro, Armstead and RB Mostert make a pro bowl. Armstead and some offensive linemen missed 4+ games each.
career +/- is 2.52

Takeaway

Mahomes has basically had a regular great or MVP level season every year he has started up until 2023. This is reflected in his career record differentials being slightly over 4, and it includes peaks of 6+ in 2022, 2018, and 2020. He had excellent offensive support during those seasons. In some of those seasons, he did not have good defensive support in terms of how the average quarterback’s record would have been based on the points allowed. However, his record differential was low in 2023 as he just reached under 1 game above average. It happened to be his best defensive support and his worst offensive situation, at least pertaining to the receiving core. It remains to be seen if 2023 was an outlier, partially the amount of costly drops by receivers that impacted some of the games, or if it is a sign that Mahomes’ record differentials are not going to be high or even good in seasons where he has strong defensive support at the expense of a strong offensive situation.

For a few years, Watson was able to perform really well above the average quarterback in terms of wins with solid offensive support. His 2019 team was able to have such success even with the defensive support not being that impressive. However, he technically performed below average in 2020 despite having good stats. His lack of even a single game-winning drive, even when accounting for some bad breaks in a few games, played a role in this. His best offensive player, Deandre Hopkins, was traded. It appears his time away from football has since negatively affected his ability to get back to performing 3+ games above average. We will see if he can get back to that in Cleveland moving forward.

Josh Allen was basically below average and then average his first two seasons before making a huge leap and being almost 7 games above average in 2020 with only the addition of all-pro receiver Diggs, the only standout among the offensive supporting cast that year. 2020 was his worst defensive support as the average wouldn’t have gone even 7-10 with that team. However, in the following seasons, Allen fluctuated between being barely a game above average and excellent (in terms of wins above average). This correlated with Diggs fluctuating between playing at a regular pro bowl level and at an all-pro level despite some offensive support additions and having a strong defensive support floor (in terms of win that the average QB would have gotten based on the points allowed). It will be seen how things will look with Diggs going. Similar to Mahomes, one could make the argument that the Bills should pivot towards adding offensive support even at the expense of the defense in order to maximize Allen’s ability to win a lot above replacement level QBs, since the two have shown they can have high peaks under those circumstances.

Based on the defensive support, the chart shows that the average quarterback would have had a winning record every season Lamar Jackson has started for the Ravens. Jackson has had decent offensive support by having a pro bowl/all-pro level tight end and usually star production from a couple of linemen and in the backfield. To Jackson’s credit, when he has been healthy for a full season, he has been really good to great in terms of how he wins relative to what the average quarterback would have done in those spots. Moving forward, we will see if having better receiving support can help Lamar Jackson have a record differential of 5+ or not. His two MVPs came with record differentials under 5. Also, we will have to see how he performs in seasons when he has mediocre to weak defensive support (the average quarterback having bad records under those circumstances) to see if the record differentials hold up then or not.

Mayfield has had multiple below average seasons and a few average to marginally above average season. His outlier season was 2020 in which he was 5.61 games above what an average quarterback would have done on a team that would have gone 5-11 with an average quarterback based on the chart. Such a number is associated with an MVP level season or a really good season working with an OPOY level skill position player. In Mayfield’s case, it was neither. Instead, it was a season in which he had strong offensive coaching and performances from each of his offensive line teammates that ranged from good to all-pro level. To Mayfield’s credit, he at least provided a superb peak under those circumstances and his many high scoring shootout wins contributed to the high record differential. In Baker’s career so far, he seems to need good offensive coaching and a high level offensive line, likely due to his height, in order to perform well above average. Just having one great lineman with one skill position standout is not enough to get him to be above average. We will see if this changes as it pertains to him moving forward.

Daniel Jones has basically been below average relative to his circumstances in his career except for 2022 when he was good, with slightly over 2 games above average. To Jones’ credit, 2022 was his best offensive situation, but it was only solid at best. It was also his best defensive support in terms of how the average quarterback’s win percentage would have been. Time will tell if he can improve enough to last as a starter to be able to show that he can have higher peaks, fewer valleys regardless of circumstances, and gets to have better defensive support and offensive help. Kyler Murray has been average so far, with his best seasons (1.5-2.5 wins above average) being when he had a star wide receiver in DeAndre Hopkins at his best and healthy (2020-2021). Murray also had his best defensive support in 2021. Time will tell how Murray develops and fares with Hopkins no longer there. It seems as though the Cardinals should prioritize giving Murray a great receiver to help him have a good record differential along with still having strong defensive support. We will see if he can provide a higher peak beyond just 2 games though.

Herbert has been mostly pretty good (2-4 games above average) in his career. His outlier season was 2023 in which he performed almost a full game below average. He may not have played badly throughout the season, but he managed only one game-winning drive in the clutch. It contrasts with the 5 game winning drives per season he had the prior two years. He has consistently had really bad defensive support in his career as the average QB likely averages 5 wins a season during his span. In contrast, Herbert has had some good offensive support, albeit injured prone in 2022 and 2023. The best defensive support for him was in 2023, but it was mediocre at best. The question comes from whether 2023 was an outlier for Herbert solely due to the health concerns and productivity of the offensive supporting cast as well as the coaching, or if there is more to it. We will wait to see if he gets better defensive support and what his record differential can be moving forward with that and a healthier offensive cast. We will also find out if he is capable of having a very high peak (5+) season under good circumstances (such as having a healthy offense again).badly

Since his rookie season on a bad team, Burrow has also been pretty good (2.5-4 games above average). In those seasons, he had really good offensive support from his skill position players but bad play from his offensive lines. He had solid defensive support in 2021 and 2022 as the average QB would have at or near .500. 2023 had bad defensive support for Burrow, but his injuries also affected his performance and, consequently, his ability to lead the team to more wins above the average quarterback in those circumstances. He finished just a game above average with 0 game-winning drives and didn’t finish the season. Moving forward, he will have to stay healthy and confirm that 2023 was a fluke. We will also see if he can have a very high peak (5+ wins) and if it is only a matter of finally having a good offensive line at the same time as having good skill position players, regardless of the defense.

Since taking over as the primary starter in 2021, Hurts has had strong offensive support that features all-pro level and well-performing complimentary players on the offensive line and at the skill position groups. He had solid defensive support from 2021-2022. The defensive support weakens dramatically in 2023. From 2022-2023, Hurt has been great with his record differential of being 5+. His 2022 season was MVP caliber while his 2023 season was really good as he had bad defensive support but augmented with 4 game-winning drives rather than being dominant. There was a game drop off from 2022 to 2023 when his offensive coordinator Steichen left. The massive spike in Hurts’ record differential from 2021 to 2022 can be attributed to his development but also the improved support from his offensive skill position group. The question moving forward is how much of his ability to have a great record differential even with bad defensive support is tied to his offensive help compared to himself solely. The concern is wondering what type of drop off there would be if and when his offensive support gets worse (C Kelce retired) and how his offensive coaching can also impact things. Time will tell how great his own impact is.

Tua had defensive support that started out okay (the average quarterback would have been 1-2 under .500) but got a little worse (the average QB would have gone 3 under .500). It coincided with the overall offensive supporting cast improving significantly from the below average/average group he had in his first two years. Tua has had a steady record differential (close to 2 at lowest and as high as near 4 games above average) so far in his career. When he had better defensive support but a mediocre offensive situation, he was above average. When he had a worse defensive support but significantly better offensive situation, even with some offensive line injuries, his record differential increased by roughly 1-2 games. The concern, outside of health, is whether Tua can provide higher peaks with his record differential, such as having 5+ games won above average, since he has a good offensive supporting cast.

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PattyMaGOAT
PattyMaGOAT
15 days ago

long article, but it actually it’s a good metric. I’ve always felt that some QBs are just better, even without the talent and coaching.

Also happy to know it confirms Mahomes is the best ☺️

tom
tom
18 days ago

I was arguing with someone on twitter that was saying how tua would suck if he didn’t had hill, waddle, and mcdaniel. i told him he didn’t know what he was talking about because I saw tua the first two years without those guys and he was okay. not great but not that. the numbers this place shows with tua proves it. He might not have a huge ceiling but its still pretty good and his floor is pretty solid.

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